Opening Cylinder for Schlage Encode Smart Lock : Locksmith


Hi all,

I’m hoping someone here can help me out, I’m trying to re-key a Schlage Encode smart lock and am encountering an unusual cylinder that I can’t find any information about how to open. I’m no locksmith so apologies for incorrect terminology – but I’m pretty familiar with the rekeying process, I’ve done many locks around my home and offices in the past.

I’ve gone through all the re-keying info from Schlage I can find, but this one seems to use a mechanism that’s not covered under any other product I’ve found.

For reference, it’s this lock here:

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Schlage Encode Smart Lock

Most commonly Schlage locks have a “C clip” retaining clip you need to remove before using the follow bar to push the cylinder out – but this one has a metal cap with a 14 point star pattern. Two of the “notches” in the star are marked on the cap with indicator lines, and there’s a small brass spring loaded metal pin in one of the notches. Pressing the pin down allows the “cap” to rotate – but I didn’t want to just rotate it willy-nilly to see what happens, as I’d rather not mess up an expensive smart lock.

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Back of Cylinder

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Front of Cylinder

I’m assuming if I absolutely had to I could remove the retaining clip from the top and re-pin the tumbler pins, top pins, and springs from the top – but I’m sure that’s not the proper way to do this.

Can anyone give me any advice about what exactly I’m looking at here, and how I might want to proceed?



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How many times have you had a customer that thought you owned a “Master Key” that opened every lock? : Locksmith


I went to do an open up at an office building downtown. It was a wesier smart key entry knob, the guy had locked his keys in his office. I could see the latch pretty clearly, so I decided to slide the latch. Just as I was about to start, the customer said “what are you doing? Why don’t you use your master key” It’s always hard not to laugh in that situation. So I told him we don’t have master keys for every single door in the city. He said that if he knew I was going to slide the latch, he would’ve just done it himself, so I started to pack up my tools and I said “okay, I guess you don’t need me then” and I left. About an hour later he called back, still locked out, I returned to find some pretty serious scratches and damage to the wood frame. I pulled out my tools and had it open in 30 seconds.



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Can this “Do Not Duplicate” key be duplicated? : Locksmith


https://imgur.com/a/r6nTdhj

I need to stay with a friend for a few months and I’d really like to avoid paying my landlord $100 for a new copy.

I’m aware the DND stamp is mostly meaningless, and in my state there isn’t any law prohibiting their duplication.

But when I tried it at a local hardware store, they were willing to dupe it (they duped my other one with the DND stamp) but their machine didn’t allow them to dupe this one because it’s a “security key with specific grooves on it”(?)

I then tried it at a local locksmith but they immediately knew it was a front door apartment key and said turned me down.

Would a Minutekey kiosk be able to duplicate this one? Should I keep trying more hardware stores and locksmiths? Times are tough and coughing up $100 doesn’t sound too good.

Hope everyone is being safe out here and thank you in advance.



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Immobilized? Locked keys in 2001 Toyota : Locksmith


Locked keys in a 2001 Toyota far from home. Used an air inflator on the door corner which activated the alarm causing alarm to beep horn for several minutes. The inflator did allowed enough room to reach electric lock button, but even when pushed, the door locks would click but not unlock. Eventually I was able to raise the lock using paracord and a slip knot.

My question is: Did the alarm immobilize the rocker lock/unlock button once the horn went off, OR was I just unable to push it properly??

Thanks in advance—



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Why the general lack of… “representation/resources” about locksmithing? : Locksmith


This may be an entirely ignorant observation, I don’t know but years ago, I was a locksmith apprentice for an incredibly short period of time but damn, I loved it so much. So now it’s kind of a hobby to read about different types of locks, locksmith stuff, etc. Tinker around with old door hardware, whatever.

ANYWAYS, I searched relentlessly this morning for a locksmithing movie/documentary of some sort and I’m just curious, why is there virtually nothing about locksmithing in any sort of “mainstream” light? Any recommendations?

Back when I was trying to get the locksmithing job, I also remember it being incredibly difficult to find any information about this trade to help me prepare for the interview…It just bums me out, personally so…

****TL;DR : Does anyone know of or have any recommendations for a movie/documentary about locksmithing or shit, even like… a main character who is a locksmith?

P.s. Sorry this post is rambling and kind of all over the place. Tired and cooped up.



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Interchangeable core for a security case : Locksmith


So I’ve got these glass security cases we put razors behind at work, and LP has taken FOREVER to get us a core, at this point we dont even think they’re gonna bother so I’m trying to just buy one and store budget it. Most, if not all of our cores for everything else is Best, and the core seems to be the same size as every other core (front door, padlocks, etc) in the store. Are core sizes pretty much the same for all cores? I was debating just picking up the little 5 pack of cores that Paclock has and using that, since this doesnt exactly have to be high security or anything, but honestly not sure if they’d work and I’m not sure if it’s even worth it because of all the extra cores.



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3 locks, 1 key – Electric switch in addition to existing locks : Locksmith


Hello,

I am currently at an impasse on a project. I am building a custom vintage scooter. They come with a steering column lock and a glovebox [lock like this] (https://i.imgur.com/uE9qrvV.png). These bikes came without a key and I would like to add a simple On/Off key.

I would like to get into messing with tumblers and pins, how would I go about this. I want to be able to use the existing key on a modified electical switch.

Is this possible? There are easier solutions to this problem, but this would help me learn something about a field I am pretty much… (shitty pun) locked out from.

Thank you, curious to see what you think.

I have a spot to



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Replacing a SentrySafe X055 Override Lock : Locksmith


I found a SentrySafe X055 for $5 (I know, too much money) at a 2nd Hand Store. There were no batteries in it, the override lock had a key broken off in it, it was empty and locked. I opened it and would like to replace the lock but can’t find anything that I know will fit right. The cylinder has “X057” stamped on the front. I just need a same spec, inexpensive replacement. Any ideas?



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Padlocks : Locksmith


Hello everyone:

So I’ve been trying to organize the padlocks at our shop. Pretty much as it is right now, there is just a bunch of seemingly random, unlabeled padlocks sitting in a case. When a customer wants a padlock, we have to go to this wall of drawers and cross our fingers that the drawer opened contains the right padlock. Well, that is what you have to do if you are new. If you have been there a while, you already know where everything is…

It feels like no one has bothered to come up with a halfway decent system for either organizing the boxed padlocks, displaying the padlocks, or labeling the padlocks. I’ve been trying to figure out a way to do this because I hate when a customer wants a padlock and I have to open 50 drawers and hope that I find the right lock. Oh, and the pricing is from like 2012 or some shit, so that is nice.

In an effort to be as accurate as possible, I have labeled the locks with a tag, the same tags we use on our key walls. Right now, the tag only has the manufacturer number for the lock so we can find the right drawer/bin, for example a certain Master Lock is found in bin 1KA. Someone covered up the KA part, so it only shows 1 now. Another Master Lock is found in bin 21KZW1, but someone covered up the KZ.

I was looking on Anixter’s website trying to figure out why and I learned that KA is “keyed alike” and KZ is “keyed zero” (I’m only guessing this, no one has explicitly told me so). Seems like Anixter, they don’t have 1KA any more, only 1. Same goes for 21KZW1, only 21W1 exists. I’m sure someone at my shop knows the answer to this question, but if we order say 6x Master Lock 1, will they arrive with random bitting? It feels like a huge potential for a security flaw if all of the locks come with the same key. I could probably answer my own question by comparing some of the keys but I won’t be able to do that until Monday.

With the KZ padlocks, I’ve noticed (I think) that these are all rekeyable locks. Which is great for the customer. However, our pricing includes the price for the lock and then the rekeying is a separate price, which is our normal in-house rekeying price. Is this a good way to do it? Should the rekeying price be included in the cost of the lock? Let’s say that a certain rekeyable padlock costs $20 and our rekey fee is $15. Shouldn’t the lock be priced as $35? Or maybe even slightly less? I’m not the owner, so I don’t really control our pricing, but they are more of the behind-the-scenes type owner so it’s up to us in the shop to figure out how much to sell something for. As long as the price is above our cost, I’m pretty sure it is OK to sell them for whatever…

As far as the tags go, what information should be included on there? I was thinking shackle length, diameter, horizontal and vertical clearance, plus the shackle material. Maybe even info on the body. What material it is, the size, is it rekeyable, etc.. Pretty much what info is on Anixter, just in a more compact form.

Am I over thinking this? Before I became a locksmith, a lot of the jobs I had included sales, but I had any and all information at my fingertips to help me sell whatever it was; cell phones, computers, furniture, etc.. I don’t think it is really a good idea to pull up that info on Anixter’s website in front of a customer, so that is one of the big reasons as to why I want tags on the padlocks.

Anyways, how do you all organize your padlocks? Are they labeled with pricing info and lock specifications?



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