Replacing this unique (to me) entry door mortise setup : Locksmith


We got this modern style stainless steel front door when we remodeled our house a few years ago.

The main lock/handle is a mortise. We didn’t realize when we bought it that it’d be imported from Europe, so it might be a “European mortise” if that’s a thing.

The cylinder is definitely Euro style.

Now here’s the kicker: The main lock not only operates a pretty massive deadbolt in the middle of the door, but also a second one near the bottom of the door.

This picture was on the door reseller’s website, and accurately describes how our door works.

We want to replace the main lockset for multiple reasons (functionality, appearance) but don’t know what we’re in for because of the possibly non-standard (for the US) nature of the mortise and because of this internally connected second deadbolt.

Sadly the reseller is unresponsive to questions.

Has anyone seen one like this before? Have any advice?

Thanks!



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Possible to disable side button on this mortise lock without disassembling? I’m ok with paying a locksmith to disassemble and remove the buttons if needed, but I notice that the top button has a slot so I’m curious if it could just be disabled. : Locksmith


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Is there any company that sells mortise hardware that takes a normal key? Want to keep this door original but also want to key it with the rest of the buildings master key system. : Locksmith


I am a locksmith, i cant find any supplier that carries a modern mortise lock that has a similar look and doesnt still take a skeleton key, just looking for a brand or supplier recommendation. I can also just retrofit a knob and deadbolt to it but i want to keep the original look.



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How to replace a deadbolt without the mortise



Hey all. I need to replace the deadbolts and knobs in my new-to-me home but the doors are about 40 years old and do not have the mortise cutout for the faceplates. The doors are old metal ones so drilling them out isn’t ideal. I think there is a way to remove the plate from the new lock set as a work around, correct? Is there a tutorial available somewhere? Thanks for helping out a novice!

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Swivel spindle off an antique yale mortise. Anybody seen it or have any suggestions for finding a replacement? It’s worn and the interior knob keeps falling off. Any specifics I should be looking for? : Locksmith


Any older shop may have some. I have some that look similar

Alternate repair, is you thru it and drill thru the knob , and either tap and put a screw completely thru both pieces , or drive a roll pin to pin the knob. Both will hold the knob from falling off in the future.



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Are there replacements for this old mortise lock that are secure by modern standards? : Locksmith


Not really, short of ordering from overseas and having a good locksmith that knows how to refit mortise locks. Britain, UK and others still use these with secure designs but they will take some modification and a bit of work to match backset (yours is likely 2 1/2 or rarely 2 3/4) Don’t ask me to convert that to metric because I’m a dumb American.

Also you need the measurements between hub (where the knob goes through) to middle of key post so your plates will work.

You might can find some three lever old Yale but if yours are single lever you will again have to do a bit of super sketchy woodwork.

Even three lever US variety will have the short/small bolt though which isn’t great for forced entry

Most people have updated deadbolts drilled above them for the security. Looks…icky with cheap locks but you can get some brands of deadbolts with a smaller footprint like estate style Baldwin and such

Also also, regular deadbolts have a 2 3/8 or 2 3/4 backset which means it will visually be “off” on center looking at it if your backset is 2 1/2

Last option and more “period” would be getting a Yale rim lock installed above it, either the bolt style or jimmyproof. This is how the security was upgraded back when these were done and are actually good forced entry (most of these old doors just bust apart though honestly) and you can order rim cylinders in many higher security key styles if your worried about the surreptitious entry aspect.

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added: I work on these locks daily and would be probably be disgruntled if you ordered locks from Britain without consulting first so unless you know your way around a chisel and can make sure your imperial to metric measurements are correct, you definitely need to find a older locksmith in your area that knows mortise locks like this



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Sue me. I’m a locksmith not a movie maker. This is a follow up to the other post about these keys and lock that someone posted. I knew I had one on my shop. A little easier to understand the lock when you can see how it works. I never thought about using it as a lockout for a mortise lock.


Sue me. I'm a locksmith not a movie maker. This is a follow up to the other post about these keys and lock that someone posted. I knew I had one on my shop. A little easier to understand the lock when you can see how it works. I never thought about using it as a lockout for a mortise lock. submitted by /u/sully-the-guy
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