I’m new here, depth and spacing info, does this abide by the rules? : Locksmith


Please delete and let me know ASAP if this violates the rules, but I believe it’s in the spirit of good locksmithing.

I occasionally run into old Sager mortise locks that take the SA1 (now Ilco 1047CR). I cannot find the ideal space and depth info for this particular key. So far, I just make keys with a file. It’d be cool to use the Framon to do it, but the info is surprisingly not listed in it’s book, and can’t find it anywhere else online. Additionally, our Triton machine is loaded with software (I believe based off instacode), but nothing listed under Sager or 1047 there. )

Before I break out the calipers next time, anybody have this info handy, for reference?



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I am converting a very old (100 y/o) solid wood door with a mortise lock to a cylinder lock. I would like to maintain the current center to center spacing of 3 5/8 if possible. I know the modern standard is 5 1/2 CTC. Is there any security/safety risk in sticking with the old spacing? : Locksmith


What are you trying to achieve with this conversion?

The chances of you finding the right amalgamation of plates to maintain that spacing and have it come out looking even halfway decent are, in my opinion, pretty slim.

Edit: I would hate to see you disrupt the appearance of what looks like a beautiful 100 year old door with a bunch of tacky wrap plates. I’m sure there’s better ways to achieve whatever it is you’re trying to do.



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Depth and spacing for a 1955 Ford Thunderbird? : Locksmith


Does anyone have a source for depth and spacing data for a 1955 Ford Thunderbird trunk lock? A customer brought one in today and we haven’t been able to find anything. Codesource isn’t any help and lockcodes.com is useless since we don’t have a code series.

My co-worker sight read the lock and is pretty sure he’s got the first two cuts right but the rest are hard to see.

Appreciate any help.



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